[SEEK-Taxon] RE: LC/TCS - How many schemas?

[Kennedy, Jessie]

Hi Walter

Just for clarification...
do you mean you want to identify something with a name as per LC rather than the name of a concept as per TCS?
I thought we had strong agreement in Christchurch that it was menaingless to identify something to a name and it would be more appropriate to be identified to a concept (name) - but this doens't mean you have to include the definition of the concept - only enough to uniquely identify the concept which of course the scientific name  doesn't do, as we all know.
A name as per LC has no definition except at at a push the type specimen.

thanks,

Jessie

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Berendsohn, Walter G. [mailto:w.berendsohn at bgbm.org]
>Sent: 02 March 2005 07:56
>To: Kennedy, Jessie; G.Hagedorn at BBA.DE; nozomi at biol.tsukuba.ac.jp;
>dhobern at gbif.org; franz at nceas.ucsb.edu; CooperJ at landcareresearch.co.nz;
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>Subject: LC/TCS - How many schemas? 
>
>
>Dear All,
>
>I think that we have to achieve common data definitions on the data
>element level and for a number of types as well. Different purposes may
>need different schemas, as Jerry has indicated. However, 
>different needs
>as to, for example, integrity can also be covered by extensions to
>common types, as Gregor has demonstrated for SDD and UBIF. 
>
>I still think that we have at least three levels of needed
>standardisation: the full taxonomic concept "world" (excluding the
>geographical and descriptive data used to circumscribe the taxon), the
>full "nomenclator world" as defined by the codes, including
>_nomenclatural_ relationships to other names and assertions as to
>adherence to the rules of nomenclature, and the normal murky name as
>used by many databases out there, where no further definition 
>of concept
>etc. is given. I would like to have this latter component somewhat
>isolated, e.g. as a type, from the rest, because I would like 
>to plug it
>into ABCD (as the result of an identification). 
>
>Best wishes
>
>Walter
>
>
>
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