[SEEK-Taxon] LinneanCore Wiki

Thu Nov 4 07:18:19 PST 2004

Hi Rich,
thanks for the detailed explanation.

Developing a more extensive "data type" for holding nomenclatural data 
makes a lot of sense.  There was a bit of concern that the development 
of the Linnean Core was going beyond that and including business rules 
for taxonomy, and so starting to overlap, and possibly conflict / 
duplicate / confuse with the role of the TCS.

cheers,
   Dave V.

Richard Pyle wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> 
> In a nutshell, the LinneanCore group is working on a more robust version of
> what now falls within the "NameDetailed" part of the TCS schema.  At the
> moment, TCS just "borrows" the ABCD nomenclatural elements for this; but
> several of us at Christchurch felt that Jerry Cooper's draft "LinnaeanCore"
> (later amended to "LinneanCore") schema was a better approach to managing
> purely nomenclatural information (I could list specific reasons why we felt
> that the LC approach was preferable to the ABCD approach, if you're
> interested).  Bear in mind that the LC group is *only* interested in Names
> data -- NOT concept data.  Virtually all of the LC discussion members have
> agreed that all concept-related information should be excluded from LC, and
> left to TCS.  Many (but not all....yet) of us feel strongly that LC should
> not exist as stand-alone schema, but rather exist only in the context of a
> TCS "wrapper".  In the case of TCS instances that are of "Nominal" (aka
> "Nomenclatural") type, the LC elements would constitute the bulk of content.
> As far as I can tell, whatever comes of LC, it will not impact any of the
> TCS elements outside of "NameDetailed" (except, perhaps, for some comments
> about "NameSimple". Of course, if any of our discussions lead to conclusions
> relevant to parts of TCS outside of "NameDetailed", we'll certainly make
> sure those comments get back to the SEEK taxon group).
> 
> So...here are some bulleted points:
>    * LC is intended to replace the elements included within the TCS
> "NameDetailed" section (currently borrowed from ABCD)
> 
>    * LC focuses mostly on issues related to Codes of Nomenclature, and does
> not deal with concept information
> 
>    * Most of the points of discussion on LC are topics that have not yet
> been adequately addressed (if at all) by the TCS group
> 
>    * If those of us who feel that LC should only exist within a TCS wrapper
> prevail in the LC discussions, LC could go a long way to providing a pathway
> for nomenclators and name-only data holders to embrace TCS as a means of
> names-only data exchange (via TCS "Nominal"-type records).
> 
> If you'd like more bulleted points, or more elaboration on any of the points
> above, please let me know.  The bottom line is that I see LC as purely
> complementary to TCS; not a duplication of effort. Note that Jessie and
> Robert were both part of the main LC discussion in Christchurch, and from my
> discussions with Jessie, I get the impression that she also feels that what
> we are doing will support TCS ('though I may have misunderstood her --
> Jessie?)
> 
> Aloha,
> Rich
> 
> P.S. I know it's looking bleak, but don't write off Ohio just yet....
> 
> Richard L. Pyle, PhD
> Natural Sciences Database Coordinator, Bishop Museum
> 1525 Bernice St., Honolulu, HI 96817
> Ph: (808)848-4115, Fax: (808)847-8252
> email: deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
> http://www.bishopmuseum.org/bishop/HBS/pylerichard.html
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dave Vieglais [mailto:vieglais at ku.edu]
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 12:54 PM
>>To: Richard Pyle
>>Cc: Seek-Taxon
>>Subject: Re: [SEEK-Taxon] LinneanCore Wiki
>>
>>
>>Hi Rich,
>>I must ask - What's the point?  The discussion of the so called Linnean
>>Core seems to be a duplicate of the last couple of years of community
>>effort that have gone into the development of the TCS.  Could you help
>>me out a bit by providing a few bullet points to show why this
>>development is necessary and not already covered by the TCS?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>   Dave V.
>>
>>
>>
>>Richard Pyle wrote:
>>
>>>Hi All,
>>>
>>>I thought I'd forward to you the URL to the "LinneanCore" Wiki
>>
>>site.  For
>>
>>>those who weren't at TDWG in Christchurch, this came together
>>
>>around a group
>>
>>>of "name nerds" to hammer out an schema for taxonomic names.
>>
>>The intention
>>
>>>would be to have this schema drop directly into TCS "Names" section,
>>>replacing what is currently taken directly from ABCD.
>>>
>>>Some preliminary info is on the Wiki now, and I expect discussion to
>>>increase over the next few weeks:
>>>
>>>http://efgblade.cs.umb.edu/twiki/bin/view/UBIF/LinneanCore
>>>
>>>Aloha,
>>>Rich
>>>
>>>Richard L. Pyle, PhD
>>>Natural Sciences Database Coordinator, Bishop Museum
>>>1525 Bernice St., Honolulu, HI 96817
>>>Ph: (808)848-4115, Fax: (808)847-8252
>>>email: deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
>>>http://www.bishopmuseum.org/bishop/HBS/pylerichard.html
>>>
>>>
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