[SEEK-Taxon] LinneanCore Wiki

Thu Nov 4 12:29:52 PST 2004

Ah!  O.K. -- then I think the concerns can be dispelled.  In fact, one of
the central themes in the discussions so far has been to ensure that
elelments that are a matter for TCS are *NOT* built into LC.  I'm not
entirely sure what context you're using the term "business rules", but we
are certainly discussing the rules which apply to the creation and objective
synonymy of Code-regulated names (ICBN, ICZN, etc.) -- which I think of as
sort of "business rules" -- but it is very clear to all the LC folk that LC
does *NOT* deal with concepts at all, or rules related to mapping of
concepts to other concepts, etc.  Only stuff like basionyms, nomenclatural
authorships, etc., that relate to producing a string of characters to be
used as a textual label, that TCS could then attach to concept instances.

I hope that adequately alleviates concerns (if not, let me know so I can
help guide/restrict/re-shape LC accordingly).  Of course, anyone/everyone is
welcome to monitor/participate in the LC Wiki discussion (URL below).

I suspect that after LC matures a little bit, we will need to come back to
this group and discuss how LC will fit (seamlessly) into TCS.  I think the
only TCS elements that would be affected are "NameSimple" and the contents
of "NameDetailed".  I also hope that Jessie and Robert will monitor the LC
Wiki, to make sure we do not stray and/or overlap/conflict with TCS (I'm
already doing my best to avoid that, but would still appreciate their
guidance & oversight).

Aloha,
Rich

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Vieglais [mailto:vieglais at ku.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 5:18 AM
> To: Richard Pyle
> Cc: seek-taxon at ecoinformatics.org
> Subject: Re: [SEEK-Taxon] LinneanCore Wiki
>
>
> Hi Rich,
> thanks for the detailed explanation.
>
> Developing a more extensive "data type" for holding nomenclatural data
> makes a lot of sense.  There was a bit of concern that the development
> of the Linnean Core was going beyond that and including business rules
> for taxonomy, and so starting to overlap, and possibly conflict /
> duplicate / confuse with the role of the TCS.
>
> cheers,
>    Dave V.
>
> Richard Pyle wrote:
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > In a nutshell, the LinneanCore group is working on a more
> robust version of
> > what now falls within the "NameDetailed" part of the TCS schema.  At the
> > moment, TCS just "borrows" the ABCD nomenclatural elements for this; but
> > several of us at Christchurch felt that Jerry Cooper's draft
> "LinnaeanCore"
> > (later amended to "LinneanCore") schema was a better approach
> to managing
> > purely nomenclatural information (I could list specific reasons
> why we felt
> > that the LC approach was preferable to the ABCD approach, if you're
> > interested).  Bear in mind that the LC group is *only*
> interested in Names
> > data -- NOT concept data.  Virtually all of the LC discussion
> members have
> > agreed that all concept-related information should be excluded
> from LC, and
> > left to TCS.  Many (but not all....yet) of us feel strongly
> that LC should
> > not exist as stand-alone schema, but rather exist only in the
> context of a
> > TCS "wrapper".  In the case of TCS instances that are of "Nominal" (aka
> > "Nomenclatural") type, the LC elements would constitute the
> bulk of content.
> > As far as I can tell, whatever comes of LC, it will not impact
> any of the
> > TCS elements outside of "NameDetailed" (except, perhaps, for
> some comments
> > about "NameSimple". Of course, if any of our discussions lead
> to conclusions
> > relevant to parts of TCS outside of "NameDetailed", we'll certainly make
> > sure those comments get back to the SEEK taxon group).
> >
> > So...here are some bulleted points:
> >    * LC is intended to replace the elements included within the TCS
> > "NameDetailed" section (currently borrowed from ABCD)
> >
> >    * LC focuses mostly on issues related to Codes of
> Nomenclature, and does
> > not deal with concept information
> >
> >    * Most of the points of discussion on LC are topics that have not yet
> > been adequately addressed (if at all) by the TCS group
> >
> >    * If those of us who feel that LC should only exist within a
> TCS wrapper
> > prevail in the LC discussions, LC could go a long way to
> providing a pathway
> > for nomenclators and name-only data holders to embrace TCS as a means of
> > names-only data exchange (via TCS "Nominal"-type records).
> >
> > If you'd like more bulleted points, or more elaboration on any
> of the points
> > above, please let me know.  The bottom line is that I see LC as purely
> > complementary to TCS; not a duplication of effort. Note that Jessie and
> > Robert were both part of the main LC discussion in
> Christchurch, and from my
> > discussions with Jessie, I get the impression that she also
> feels that what
> > we are doing will support TCS ('though I may have misunderstood her --
> > Jessie?)
> >
> > Aloha,
> > Rich
> >
> > P.S. I know it's looking bleak, but don't write off Ohio just yet....
> >
> > Richard L. Pyle, PhD
> > Natural Sciences Database Coordinator, Bishop Museum
> > 1525 Bernice St., Honolulu, HI 96817
> > Ph: (808)848-4115, Fax: (808)847-8252
> > email: deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
> > http://www.bishopmuseum.org/bishop/HBS/pylerichard.html
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Dave Vieglais [mailto:vieglais at ku.edu]
> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 12:54 PM
> >>To: Richard Pyle
> >>Cc: Seek-Taxon
> >>Subject: Re: [SEEK-Taxon] LinneanCore Wiki
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi Rich,
> >>I must ask - What's the point?  The discussion of the so called Linnean
> >>Core seems to be a duplicate of the last couple of years of community
> >>effort that have gone into the development of the TCS.  Could you help
> >>me out a bit by providing a few bullet points to show why this
> >>development is necessary and not already covered by the TCS?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>   Dave V.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Richard Pyle wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi All,
> >>>
> >>>I thought I'd forward to you the URL to the "LinneanCore" Wiki
> >>
> >>site.  For
> >>
> >>>those who weren't at TDWG in Christchurch, this came together
> >>
> >>around a group
> >>
> >>>of "name nerds" to hammer out an schema for taxonomic names.
> >>
> >>The intention
> >>
> >>>would be to have this schema drop directly into TCS "Names" section,
> >>>replacing what is currently taken directly from ABCD.
> >>>
> >>>Some preliminary info is on the Wiki now, and I expect discussion to
> >>>increase over the next few weeks:
> >>>
> >>>http://efgblade.cs.umb.edu/twiki/bin/view/UBIF/LinneanCore
> >>>
> >>>Aloha,
> >>>Rich
> >>>
> >>>Richard L. Pyle, PhD
> >>>Natural Sciences Database Coordinator, Bishop Museum
> >>>1525 Bernice St., Honolulu, HI 96817
> >>>Ph: (808)848-4115, Fax: (808)847-8252
> >>>email: deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
> >>>http://www.bishopmuseum.org/bishop/HBS/pylerichard.html
> >>>
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