[seek-taxon] SEEK-Taxon Call Wednesday 6-14-06
Kennedy, Jessie
J.Kennedy at napier.ac.uk
Wed Jun 14 09:30:41 PDT 2006
Sorry about that Jim - at our last call which was at 16:00 GMT we said we'd go back to our normal time 16:00 in Edinburgh) which is 16:00 BST or 15:00 GMT but as I said it's our fault for not checking what was put on the wiki...
As with Bob - I'd love to hear more about the site review - and of course to thank you and Aimee for representing us... and talk more about the planned work.
I'm leaving for holiday next Friday 23rd so would be good if it was before then if possible. I'm back on the 12th July.
Jessie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert K. Peet [mailto:peet at unc.edu]
> Sent: 14 June 2006 17:07
> To: Beach, James H
> Cc: Kennedy, Jessie; SEEK Taxon
> Subject: RE: [seek-taxon] SEEK-Taxon Call Wednesday 6-14-06
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> When do we next have a call?
>
> I look forward to learning more about the NSF response and discussing the
> bat assistantship.
>
> Best,
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Beach, James H wrote:
>
> >
> > Cancelled.
> >
> > _____________________________
> > James H. Beach
> > Biodiversity Research Center
> > University of Kansas
> > 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> > Lawrence, KS 66045, USA
> > T 785 864-4645, F 785 864-5335
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert K. Peet [mailto:peet at unc.edu]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:40 AM
> > To: Kennedy, Jessie
> > Cc: Beach, James H; SEEK Taxon
> > Subject: Re: [seek-taxon] SEEK-Taxon Call Wednesday 6-14-06
> >
> >
> > I made the same mistake, and I too am short on time.
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Kennedy, Jessie wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Guys
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We were under the impression we were having the conference call at
> 16:00 BST not 1600 GMT... probably our fault for not checking the wiki
> notes...so we won't be able to stay long (well me anyway)...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jessie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From: seek-taxon-bounces at ecoinformatics.org
> >> [mailto:seek-taxon-bounces at ecoinformatics.org] On Behalf Of Beach,
> >> James H
> >> Sent: 13 June 2006 20:00
> >> To: SEEK Taxon
> >> Subject: [seek-taxon] SEEK-Taxon Call Wednesday 6-14-06
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> SEEK Taxon:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> (Matt -- Any comments you might have here on the Kepler use case
> >> scenarios (see the bottom) would be useful.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> SEEK Taxon call tomorrow at 1600 GMT.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=6&day=14&ye
> >> ar=2006&hour=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The call in number will be the same as before:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> (877) 278-8686 Conference ID/PIN: 653089
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> One item for the call tomorrow will be a discussion of the scope of
> work of a research assistant we will seek, to work with bat taxonomic
> concepts. Before we let the advertisement out the door, I would like to
> have a clear idea of the tasks involved and how they relate to our
> ultimate objectives for the ENM use case with mammals of North America.
> This will determine whether the person could work remotely or not, the
> amount of effort required, and duration of the appointment.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Here is a skeleton of some points for that scope of work for that
> person and for our discussion tomorrow:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Draft Tasks:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1) Use ConceptMapper (CM) to author additional taxon concepts for major
> bat treatments prior to MSW 1993 and those that may occur between 1993 and
> MSW 2005, and any significant new classifications after MSW 2005 was
> compiled. This task would be aimed at obtaining as many bat
> classifications as practicable for the TOS (and all of their concepts).
> Questions: How many classifications? All Sizes? All bat groups? Other
> Mammals also? All levels of the hierarchy? Big Question: Does CM
> support the creation of concepts which INCLUDE children links in the
> definition?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2) Use CM to map among classifications using the notation for concept
> relationships, based at first only on published differences in the
> children belonging to the taxon. This would be done for concepts at the
> genus level and above. Are we referring to these as third-party
> annotations or are they something else?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 3) Use CM to map among species concepts based on published, documented
> differences in characters, types? Other kinds of data? How easy will
> this be?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 4) Grab several bat specimen databases from DiGIR providers, KU, and
> perhaps also from other institutions not in DiGIR, and query the TOS for
> the best concept for the species name on those specimens. We might for
> example, just start doing this based on date of the specimen
> determination. For simplicity, if a specimen was determined in 2006, and
> we have no other reference citation information on the label, then we
> might assign that name to the MSW concept of the same name for 2005. If
> determined in 1994, we assign MSW93 concept to that name.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Assigning a concept to a determination would mean, querying the TOS for
> the best concept for that date of determination and name (again as a first
> simplifying step) and then getting an LSID from the TOS for that concept,
> and sticking it into the specimen record in the specimen database. The
> specimen database that we use might start off as a slightly modified
> Darwin Core flat file that could accomodate LSIDs, or we might make
> something a little more normalized. We can produce the software here that
> will take a specimen record and query the TOS for the best concept, and
> then automatically stick the LSID from the TOS concept into the specimen
> database. Ideally we could do that in batch mode, for tens or hundreds of
> thousands of specimens, within a few minutes or hours.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> That would give us multiple museum data sets for bats with LSIDs on
> their concepts.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------- Now the analysis part - for discussion (Matt take note)
> >> ----------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> For Kepler, the DiGIR interface could now query bat species with the
> 'get best concept' service for any particular name, and return a concept
> for a particular classification for the name. Right? Then we use the
> mappings in TOS to generate a list of mapped concepts, then use those
> (LSIDs) for querying our bat specimen datasets marked up with LSIDs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> For the ENM use case, I believe the work flow would then be, to use all
> of the concepts from one classification to create a set of ENModels for
> those species, then choose a different classification and do the same, and
> then have some exciting way to contrast the results of the two sets of
> models, which hopefully will be using concepts of different definitions
> and sizes for at least some taxa.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mañana.
> >>
> >> _____________________________
> >> James H. Beach
> >> Biodiversity Research Center
> >> University of Kansas
> >> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> >> Lawrence, KS 66045, USA
> >> T 785 864-4645, F 785 864-5335
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ====================================================================
> > Robert K. Peet, Professor Phone: 919-962-6942
> > Department of Biology, CB#3280 Fax: 919-962-6930
> > University of North Carolina Cell: 919-368-4971
> > Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3280 USA Email: peet at unc.edu
> >
> > http://www.bio.unc.edu/faculty/peet/
> > ====================================================================
> >
>
> ====================================================================
> Robert K. Peet, Professor Phone: 919-962-6942
> Department of Biology, CB#3280 Fax: 919-962-6930
> University of North Carolina Cell: 919-368-4971
> Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3280 USA Email: peet at unc.edu
>
> http://www.bio.unc.edu/faculty/peet/
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