[kepler-users] semantic actor suggestion

[Shawn Bowers]

Aaron. I see that it is saved to that folder, but this is quite
different behavior from the save in library feature.  In fact, if you
save in your workflow folder, it doesn't get searched!

I think we need to enter a bug to resurrect the save in *library*
feature, or else make the local folders searchable (which means they
need to be registered with the object manager).

Shawn

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Aaron Schultz<aschultz at nceas.ucsb.edu> wrote:
> Yes if it is saved to one of your local repository folders it should show up
> in the library after saving the archive
>
> -Aaron
>
> On Jul 10, 2009, at 8:35 AM, Shawn Bowers <sbowers at ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>
>> Aaron -- When you say "replaced" do you mean the same functionality
>> exists?  I.e., when a KAR is saved, is it placed into the library?
>>
>> Shawn
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Aaron Schultz<aschultz at nceas.ucsb.edu>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It has been replaced by save archive
>>>
>>> -Aaron
>>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2009, at 8:05 AM, Shawn Bowers <sbowers at ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>> It looks like this is happening (possibly) because of changes to the
>>>> StringParameter hierarchy, which now throw NPEs if no named object and
>>>> name is given to the constructor.  The semantic search functionality
>>>> was written a while back (circa 2005), and not really used other than
>>>> a prototype/demonstration. It could use revamping.
>>>>
>>>> I think I might have fixed it though. However, I cannot easily test
>>>> this since the "Save in Library" functionality was removed, which
>>>> would allow modified actors to be saved in the library, and then
>>>> easily searched.  Typically, I would add sem types to ports and then
>>>> save them to the library. This would then allow me to search for
>>>> actors using this dialog or using the "suggest compatible components"
>>>> dialog.
>>>>
>>>> I've CC'd Aaron Schultz (a Kepler developer at NCEAS) who might know
>>>> why this was removed, and whether similar functionality was added (I
>>>> can't find it if it was).  When I bring back the "Save in Library"
>>>> (via uiContextMappings configs) I get exceptions for building KAR
>>>> files ...
>>>>
>>>>    [run] Exception in thread "AWT-EventQueue-0"
>>>> java.lang.NullPointerException
>>>>    [run]    at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> org.kepler.kar.gui.SaveInLibraryDialog.determineKarFile(SaveInLibraryDialog.java:255)
>>>>    [run]    at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> org.kepler.kar.gui.SaveInLibraryDialog._saveCommand(SaveInLibraryDialog.java:371)
>>>>    [run]    at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> org.kepler.kar.gui.SaveInLibraryDialog.access$100(SaveInLibraryDialog.java:98)
>>>>    [run]    at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> org.kepler.kar.gui.SaveInLibraryDialog$1.actionPerformed(SaveInLibraryDialog.java:646)
>>>>    [run]    at
>>>> javax.swing.AbstractButton.fireActionPerformed(AbstractButton.java:1882)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Shawn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Chris Weed<chrisweed at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What about the Semantic Search functionality?
>>>>> This looks similar to what I am interested in, but when I try to do a
>>>>> search I get "No search criteria specified"
>>>>> I really expect that this would return a result for the search I
>>>>> specified.
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Shawn Bowers<sbowers at ucdavis.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of the semantic annotation code is now a bit old (3-4 yrs), and
>>>>>> was a prototype. Prior to this version we actually had an approach
>>>>>> based on a SPARQL implementation, however, it was decided that Kepler
>>>>>> should adopt an "object manager" approach, which stores actors and
>>>>>> actor metadata (including semantic annotations of actors) using MoML
>>>>>> and within a relational (in-memory) db. So, SPARQL wouldn't work for
>>>>>> this, unless we went to an RDF approach for representing annotations,
>>>>>> metadata, etc. Another problem with SPARQL (I think this is what you
>>>>>> meant) at least from my experience is that it is more focussed on
>>>>>> querying resources and their properties, and less useful for querying
>>>>>> over class definitions. The latter requires a reasoner (like Pellet,
>>>>>> Fact++, etc.). Finding actors based on their semantic types is all
>>>>>> about matching class definitions, and not about searching for class
>>>>>> instances.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, we are currently in the process of revamping the annotation
>>>>>> interfaces to make it easier and hopefully more obvious to folks that
>>>>>> actors (and their ports) can be tagged (e.g., a draft plan for this is
>>>>>> here:
>>>>>> https://kepler-project.org/developers/incubation/GUI/kepler-tagging).
>>>>>> So far, zero Kepler actors have their ports annotated. But perhaps
>>>>>> with some UI changes more actors will be annotated, etc.  We are also
>>>>>> making changes so that basic types of ontology creation and editing
>>>>>> are exposed and available from within Kepler. Again, this might make
>>>>>> the annotation capabilities more usable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you would like to help with any of this (designing and/or implement
>>>>>> ui's, designing apis, suggesting features, architecture, technology's,
>>>>>> etc.) that would be awesome!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Chris Weed<chrisweed at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I have a few questions about the semantic annotation functionality.
>>>>>>> I noticed in the semantic search browser it displays the properties,
>>>>>>> but I wasn't sure if it used that for doing searches.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I was looking through the code for performing the semantic
>>>>>>> actor
>>>>>>> suggestion,
>>>>>>> and it looks like it uses a hand-coded matching algorithm instead of
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> SQARQL
>>>>>>> based inference engine. Would it make sense to update this
>>>>>>> functionality
>>>>>>> which would allow more sophisticated searches with properties.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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