[kepler-dev] right-click on Mac
Xiaowen Xin
xin2 at llnl.gov
Tue Apr 27 11:16:07 PDT 2004
Hi Christopher,
I hope I don't sound too dense, but I still don't understand what you
mean by "I think if we disable this control-click functionality, then
there is no way to connect from an external port to a relation."
As an example, if I drag a generic source onto a blank canvas, I can
click the black diamond in the toolbar to create a relation, then drag
(without pressing control) from the output port of the source to the
diamond to connect them.
I realize you can do this by control-dragging as well, but they seem to
do the same thing to me.
The only difference I can see is that dragging and control-dragging the
actual relation performs different functions. Dragging on a relation
just moves it, while control-dragging creates a connection from it to a
port.
While useful, the ability to control-drag on a relation isn't
essential. Since a relation is always connected to a port and not to
another relation, I could create a connection between a relation and a
port by starting a drag (without pressing control) at the port.
Can you please explain to me in what circumstances you absolutely need
to be able to control-click or control-drag?
Thanks!
Xiaowen
On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 09:51, Christopher Hylands Brooks wrote:
> Control-click creates a relation and then allows the user to connect
> the relation.
>
> I think if we disable this control-click functionality, then there is
> no way to connect from an external port to a relation.
>
> We could use openApple-click instead of control-click
>
> On the Mac, in the short term, we could disable the control-click
> relation functionality and work on using openApple-click. I agree
> that it is more important to get at the context menu than it is to be
> able to connect relations and external ports. We need to solve both
> issues, but getting at the context menu comes first.
>
> I won't have much access to a Mac for a week or two, does anyone want
> to take a look at patching current ptII cvs tree with some Mac
> specific fixes? I would gladly fold in changes to the current Ptolemy
> II devel tree that affect only the Mac or do not dramatically change
> the functionality under Windows.
>
> BTW - I'm going to be announcing Ptolemy II 4.0-alpha shortly, you can
> get a preview of it, including the sources, from
> http://ptolemy.eecs.berkeley.edu/ptolemyII/ptII4.0/
>
> I'd really like to see this issue resolved, so I'm willing to put a
> certain amount of effort into it.
>
> -Christopher
>
> --------
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm a little confused what the reasoning was here for not disabling the
> functionality of having control-click create a new relation.
>
> To tell the truth, I personally never use control-click, and haven't
> really noticed any deficiencies in what I can do ;)
>
> It looks like the argument for not disabling that is that if we do,
> "then there is no way to connect from an external port to a relation".
>
> I'm used to simply clicking (without holding down control) and dragging
> between a port and a relation in order to connect them. Am I
> understanding the problem wrong?
>
> I'm also quite used to clicking the black diamond on the toolbar to put
> a new relation on the canvas--doesn't seem so hard to me =)
>
> Finally, our customer for SPA, who uses a Mac, will probably spend more
> time exploring the workflow through the "look inside" functionality,
> than actually creating his own relations.
>
> So at this point, I would vote for having control-click be bound to
> bringing up the contextual menu. Could you clarify the reason for not
> doing that?
>
> Thanks =)
>
> Xiaowen
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 07:43, Christopher Hylands Brooks wrote:
> > We could have multiple configurations that determine what mouse
> > actions do what. In the simplest form, the configuration could
> > be different for Mac users and Windows users.
> >
> > The problem we have is that we have access to only one Mac (it belongs
> > to my wife), and no one has come up with a good suggestion as to what
> > the precise key binding/mouse action should be.
> >
> > I've taken the liberty of reproducing a thread from August, 2003,
> > where we discussed various possibilities.
> >
> > In August, 2003, Stove wrote:
> > > http://webinstituteforteachers.org/2001/modules/pcmac/w2m-keys.html
> >
> > Unfortunately, this link is dead.
> >
> > > This seems to suggest that using the openApple/command key is the right
>
> > > thing to do...
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > At 05:34 PM 8/19/2003 -0700, Stephen Andrew Neuendorffer wrote:
> > > >If you do this, then there is no way to connect from an external port
> to a
> > > >relation...
> > > >I suppose if you get me the key code, then we could change control-cli
> ck
> > > >to openApple click, or some such...
> > > >I don't think that has a regular binding, if I remember?
> > > >
> > > >It's a shame that mac users only have one finger....
> > > >
> > > >Steve
> > > >
> > > >At 05:26 PM 8/19/2003 -0700, Christopher Hylands Brooks wrote:
> > > >>While looking at the mac . . .
> > > >>
> > > >>Usually, in Ptolemy II, Control-Click creates a Relation
> > > >>However, on the Mac, Control-Click should bring up the context
> > > >>menu.
> > > >>
> > > >>We should go ahead and disable Control-Click on the mac
> > > >>One way to tell we are on a mac is that the os.name property
> > > >>is equal to
> > > >>Mac OS X
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Under Mac OS X, Java 1.4.1_01, the properties have the following valu
> es:
> > > >>
> > > >>nlpx.heapsize = NULL,128m
> > > >>jnlpx.splashport = -1
> > > >>java.runtime.name = Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition
> > > >>sun.boot.library.path =
> > > >>/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.1/Libraries
> > > >>apple.awt.textantialiasing = on
> > > >>java.vm.version = 1.4.1_01-14
> > > >>awt.nativeDoubleBuffering = true
> > > >>gopherProxySet = false
> > > >>java.vm.vendor = "Apple Computer, Inc."
> > > >>java.vendor.url = http://apple.com/
> > > >>path.separator = :
> > > >>java.vm.name = Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM
> > > >>file.encoding.pkg = sun.io
> > > >>jnlpx.home = /Applications/Utilities/Java/Java Web
> > > >>Start.app/Contents/MacOS
> > > >>user.country = US
> > > >>sun.os.patch.level = unknown
> > > >>java.vm.specification.name = Java Virtual Machine Specification
> > > >>user.dir = /Users/tz
> > > >>java.runtime.version = 1.4.1_01-39
> > > >>java.awt.graphicsenv = apple.awt.CGraphicsEnvironment
> > > >>java.endorsed.dirs =
> > > >>/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.1/Home/lib/e
> ndorsed
> > > >>os.arch = ppc
> > > >>java.io.tmpdir = /tmp
> > > >>line.separator =
> > > >>
> > > >>java.vm.specification.vendor = Sun Microsystems Inc.
> > > >>jnlpx.remove = true
> > > >>os.name = Mac OS X
> > > >>apple.laf.useScreenMenuBar = true
> > > >>sun.java2d.fontpath =
> > > >>sun.java2d.noddraw = true
> > > >>java.library.path = /Applications/Utilities/Java/Java Web
> > > >>Start.app/Contents/MacOS/../../Contents/Resources/Java/
> > > >>java.specification.name = Java Platform API Specification
> > > >>java.class.version = 48.0
> > > >>java.util.prefs.PreferencesFactory =
> > > >>java.util.prefs.MacOSXPreferencesFactory
> > > >>os.version = 10.2.6
> > > >>ptolemy.ptII.dir = Users/tz/Library/Caches/Java Web
> > > >>Start/cache/http/Dptolemy.eecs.berkeley.edu/P80/DMptolemyII/DMptII3.0
> /DMjnlp-3.0.1/DMsigned
> > > >>user.home = /Users/tz
> > > >>user.timezone = America/Los_Angeles
> > > >>java.security.policy = file:/Applications/Utilities/Java/Java Web
> > > >>Start.app/Contents/MacOS/javaws.policy
> > > >>java.awt.printerjob = apple.awt.CPrinterJob
> > > >>trustProxy = true
> > > >>java.specification.version = 1.4
> > > >>file.encoding = MacRoman
> > > >>user.name = tz
> > > >>com.apple.javaws.vmversions = 1.4.1 1.3.1
> > > >>java.class.path = /Applications/Utilities/Java/Java Web
> > > >>Start.app/Contents/MacOS/javaws.jar
> > > >>jnlpx.vmargs = " -Dsun.java2d.noddraw=true"
> > > >>java.vm.specification.version = 1.0
> > > >>sun.arch.data.model = 32
> > > >>java.home = /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.
> 1/Home
> > > >>java.specification.vendor = Sun Microsystems Inc.
> > > >>user.language = en
> > > >>awt.toolkit = apple.awt.CToolkit
> > > >>java.vm.info = mixed mode
> > > >>java.version = 1.4.1_01
> > > >>java.ext.dirs =
> > > >>/Library/Java/Extensions:/System/Library/Java/Extensions:/System/Libr
> ary/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.1/Home/lib/ext
> > > >>sun.boot.class.path =
> > > >>/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.1/Classes/cl
> asses.jar:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.1/Classes
> /ui.jar:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.1/Classes/l
> af.jar:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.1/Classes/su
> nrsasign.jar:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.1/Clas
> ses/jsse.jar:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.1/Clas
> ses/jce.jar:/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.1/Class
> es/charsets.jar
> > > >>java.vendor = Apple Computer, Inc.
> > > >>file.separator = /
> > > >>java.vendor.url.bug = http://developer.apple.com/java/
> > > >>sun.cpu.endian = big
> > > >>sun.io.unicode.encoding = UnicodeBig
> > > >>mrj.version = 4.1
> > > >>jnlpx.jvm =
> > > >>/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.1/Home/bin/j
> ava
> > > >>sun.cpu.isalist =
> > > >>javawebstart.version = javaws-1.2
> > > >>sun.awt.exception.handler = apple.awt.CToolkit$EventQueueExceptionHan
> dler
> > > >>
> > > >>-Christopher
> > > >>--------
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't think isPopupTrigger helps...
> > > >> Our problem isn't identifying the popup trigger...
> > > >> It's that it has too many meanings.
> > > >>
> > > >> I suggest we disable control-click to create relations
> > > >> on the mac. mac users will have to create relations from
> > > >> the toolbar... awkward, but I can't think of anything else...
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't think putting a "Create relations" option in the
> > > >> context menu will be very useful...
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm guessing that creating arcs won't be a problem because
> > > >> that is "control-drag" not "control-click". But I guess we
> > > >> should try it on a mac.
> > > >>
> > > >> Edward
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> At 08:53 AM 6/30/2003 -0700, Christopher Hylands wrote:
> > > >> >Below are some random notes
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I poked around and searching google with
> > > >> > Java Mac right mouse click
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Brings up a link to the Apple site that appears to be dead.
> > > >> >The google cache suggests using isPopupTrigger:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >--start--
> > > >> >Contextual Menus
> > > >> >
> > > >> >There is no problem supporting contextual menus in your Java
> > > >> >applications on Mac OS Xthey are fully supported. There are
> > > >> >slight differences in terminology though. Java calls them popup
> > > >> >menus while Aqua calls them contextual menus. More important is
> > > >> >how they are triggered on different platforms. On Mac OS X,
> > > >> >they are triggered by a Control-click. (By default, the second
> > > >> >button of a two-button mouse maps to Control-click in Mac OS
> > > >> >X.) In Windows, the right mouse button is the standard trigger
> > > >> >for contextual menus.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >These are two very different cases, which could result in
> > > >> >fragmented and conditional code. One important aspect of both
> > > >> >triggers is shared, the mouse click. To ensure that your
> > > >> >program is interpreting the proper contextual menu trigger, it
> > > >> >is again a good idea to ask the AWT to do the interpreting for
> > > >> >you with java.awt.event.MouseEvent.isPopupTrigger.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >The method is defined in java.awt.event.MouseEvent because you
> > > >> >need to activate the contextual menu through a
> > > >> >java.awt.event.MouseListener on a given component when a mouse
> > > >> >event on that component is detected. The important thing to
> > > >> >determine is how and when to detect the proper event. In Mac OS
> > > >> >X, the pop up trigger is set on MOUSE_PRESSED. In Windows it is
> > > >> >set on MOUSE_RELEASED. For portability, both cases should be
> > > >> >considered as shown in Listing 5-4.
> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Listing 5-4 Using isPopupTrigger to detect contextual menu activat
> ion
> > > >> >
> > > >> >JLabel label = new JLabel("I have a pop up menu!");
> > > >> >
> > > >> >label.addMouseListener(new MouseAdapter(){
> > > >> > public void mousePressed(MouseEvent e) {
> > > >> > evaluatePopup(e);
> > > >> > }
> > > >> >
> > > >> > public void mouseReleased(MouseEvent e) {
> > > >> > evaluatePopup(e);
> > > >> > }
> > > >> >
> > > >> > private void evaluatePopup(MouseEvent e) {
> > > >> > if (e.isPopupTrigger()) {
> > > >> > // show the pop up menu...
> > > >> > }
> > > >> > }
> > > >> >});
> > > >> >--end--
> > > >> >
> > > >> >The same text can be found in
> > > >> >http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Java/Conceptual/Java141De
> velopment/Native_Integration/chapter_8_section_2.html
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I'm not sure if the above will help or not.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I think that using control-click is a bit of a anomoly. What we h
> ave
> > > >> >now is:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Action Key-Mouse Class
> > > >> >------ --------- -----
> > > >> >toggle selection shift-click
> > > >> >create relation control-click ActorEditorGraphCo
> ntroller
> > > >> > LinkController
> > > >> >
> > > >> >create arc control-click FSMGraphController
> > > >> > TransitionControl
> ler
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Perhaps we should disable control-click on the mac and provide
> > > >> >the create relation choice in the context menu?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I'm not sure if this helps, but in poking around on the Apple site
> , I
> > > >> >ran into a page about their interface builder at
> > > >> >
> > > >> >http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Conceptual
> /InterfaceBuilder/InterfaceBuilder_Help/CocoaObj/chapter_6_section_2.html
> > > >> >
> > > >> >It looks like it is a block diagram editor, and they have the user
> > > >> >make connections with:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >--start--
> > > >> >To make an outlet connection:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > * Control-drag from the object that will send messages to the
> > > >> >object that will receive messages. In the Info window that appears
> ,
> > > >> >select an outlet and click Connect.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Generally, you connect an object in the icon mode of the
> > > >> >Instances pane of the nib file window to an object on the interfac
> e.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > You can also use the outline mode of the Instances
> > > >> >pane of the nib file window to connect objects, including
> > > >> >objects in your interface.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Tip: You can graphically identify objects listed in the
> > > >> >outline mode of the Instances pane. To select an object in
> > > >> >your interface, double-click it. To see an arrow point at
> > > >> >the object, Shift-Control-click it.
> > > >> >--end--
> > > >> >
> > > >> >See also
> > > >> >http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/JavaTuto
> rial/simpleapp/chapter_2_section_5.html
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Tansy has a Mac, so I can try things out later.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I have a few notes about Mac OS X Java at
> > > >> >http://www.gigascale.org/ptolemy/java/mac.htm
> > > >> >
> > > >> >-Christopher
> > > >> >
> > > >> >--------
> > > >> >
> > > >> > We tried his suggestion, but shift click is also used
> > > >> > to toggle selection, so his suggestion didn't work.
> > > >> > Christopher inquired about other mac users and nobody
> > > >> > spoke up with a suggestion. I'm happy to fix this is
> > > >> > somebody tells be how to fix it... However, without a
> > > >> > better suggestion...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Steve
> > > >> >
> > > >> >--------
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > From: "Edward A Lee" <eal at eecs.berkeley.edu>
> > > >> > > To: ptresearch at eecs.berkeley.edu
> > > >> > > Subject: [Ptolemy] Fwd: RE: Ptolemy II under Mac OS X
> > > >> > > Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 04:34:13 -0700
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Did we ever get some resolution on this?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Edward
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > >From: "Fons, Richard" <RFons at amsuper.com>
> > > >> > > >To: "'Edward A. Lee'" <eal at eecs.berkeley.edu>
> > > >> > > >Subject: RE: Ptolemy II under Mac OS X
> > > >> > > >Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:12:54 -0500
> > > >> > > >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >Professor Lee,
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >Control-L appears to be an auto layout type of command
> > > >> > > >on both the Mac and Windows versions of Ptolemy II, so I
> > > >> > > >still don't have a way to "look inside" when running on
> > > >> > > >the Mac. My only suggestion at this point would be to
> > > >> > > >ask you to consider changing "create new relation" to
> > > >> > > >something like a shift-click instead of a control-click,
> > > >> > > >since the Mac wants to assume that acontrol-click will
> > > >> > > >bring up a contextual menu. This is not a crisis for me
> > > >> > > >as I use a Windows 2000 machine at work, but I have a
> > > >> > > >Mac at home and it would be nice to run Ptolemy II there
> > > >> > > >as well.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >Thanks,
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >Dick Fons.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >> > > >From: Edward A. Lee [mailto:eal at eecs.berkeley.edu]
> > > >> > > >Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:10 PM
> > > >> > > >To: Fons, Richard
> > > >> > > >Cc: 'ptolemy-hackers at ptolemy.eecs.berkeley.edu'
> > > >> > > >Subject: Re: Ptolemy II under Mac OS X
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >Control-L will perform look inside as well... However,
> > > >> > > >this workaround is really no good, since we rely on you
> > > >> > > >being able to see the context menu to document the
> > > >> > > >shortcut...
> > > >> > > >Any suggestions about how to fix this?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >Edward Lee
> > > >> > > >
> >
> > > >> > > >At 12:17 PM 1/3/2003 -0500, Fons, Richard wrote:
> > > >> > > > >I did a web start install of Ptolemy II under Mac OS
> > > >> > > > >10.2.3 and everything went smoothly. While
> > > >> > > > >experimenting with Simple Signal Processing under
> > > >> > > > >Quick Tour, I discovered that I was unable to "Look
> > > >> > > > >Inside" the hierarchical blocks (e.g. "Signal Source")
> > > >> > > > >since there is no right mouse button on my mouse.
> > > >> > > > >Normally contextual (popup) menus on a Mac are brought
> > > >> > > > >up by control-clicking, but control-clicking in
> > > >> > > > >Ptolemy II is defined to create a new relation. Does
> > > >> > > > >anyone have a work around? Is there another way to
> > > >> > > > >access the Look Inside function besides the popup? Is
> > > >> > > > >there way to dissociate the control-click from the
> > > >> > > > >"create new relation" action, so that the Mac could
> > > >> > > > >use the control-click to trigger the contextual
> > > >> > > > >(popup) menu?
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >Regards,
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >Dick Fons
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >American Superconductor
> > > >> > > > >Power Electronic Systems
> > > >> > > > >15775 West Schaefer Court
> > > >> > > > >New Berlin, WI 53151
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >PH: 262-901-6000 (switchboard)
> > > >> > > > >FAX: 262-901-0100
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >PH: 262-901-6006 (direct)
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >rfons at amsuper.com
> > > --------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wouldn't it be possible to define configuration files that specific
> y
> > > what action is executed on what mouse event?
> > >
> > > I remember the good old X-windows days when one could very easily
> > > define in the .twm or .fvwm what menus would pop up for certain
> > > interaction events and what was supposed to happen..
> > >
> > > I guess the lucky linux users still know how all this works...
> > >
> > > Maybe a similar config. mechanism could be included in
> > > Ptolemy/Kepler!?
> > >
> > > Bertram
> > >
> > > >>>>> "EAL" == Edward A Lee <eal at eecs.berkeley.edu> writes:
> > > EAL>
> > > EAL> We have had endless discussions about this with the net
> > > EAL> effect that we can think of no solution that works...
> > > EAL>
> > > EAL> If someone proposes something that works (and provides
> > > EAL> all the needed functionality on Mac, Windows, and Linux),
> > > EAL> we will gladly implement it.
> > > EAL>
> > > EAL> Edward
> > > EAL>
> > > EAL> At 08:51 AM 4/26/2004 -0700, Xiaowen Xin wrote:
> > > >> Hi Everyone,
> > > >>
> >
> > > >> Some of the functionality of Ptolemy II can only be enabled
> > > >> through right-clicking I believe. For example, the context
> > > >> menu of an actor in a workflow can only be brought up through
> > > >> right-clicking on that actor. Since currently, the major
> > > >> customer for SPA is a Mac user and Macs have only one mouse
> > > >> button, is there a different way that he can enable that
> > > >> functionality?
> > > >> As far as I can tell, right-clicking can normally be emulated
> > > >> on Macs through control-clicking, but in Ptolemy II,
> > > >> control-clicking creates a new relation.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks!
> > > >> Xiaowen
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