[tcs-lc] relationships between vernacular names

[Roger Hyam]

You are correct. NameObjects are for representation of code compliantish 
names.

Richard Pyle wrote:

>Hi Roger,
>
>So if I understand your XML example correcly, vernacular names do not exist
>as "NameObjects" (evidenced by ref="LSID:1234:ssdf" for Prunus avium, with
>no ref for the non-scientific names).  In other words, vernacular names are
>treated as existing only as properties of concepts; not as objects unto
>themselves.
>
>Correct?
>
>If so, then I am in full, complete, 100% AGREEMENT!!!
>
>...break out the champagne!  :-)
>
>Aloha,
>Rich
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: tcs-lc-bounces at ecoinformatics.org
>>[mailto:tcs-lc-bounces at ecoinformatics.org]On Behalf Of Roger Hyam
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 2:40 AM
>>To: Nozomi Ytow
>>Cc: tcs-lc at ecoinformatics.org
>>Subject: Re: [tcs-lc] relationships between vernacular names
>>
>>
>>Hi James,
>>
>>I have marked up an example of vernacular cherry names here:
>>
>>http://biodiv.hyam.net/schemas/TCS_0.95.2/cherries_01.xml
>>
>>and linked to it from the LC wiki here:
>>
>>http://bdei.cs.umb.edu/twiki/bin/view/UBIF/LinneanCoreExampleNames
>>
>>I have taken a simplistic approach and may have missed your point but I
>>believe this is how we would want to represent vernacular concepts.
>>
>>Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>Nozomi Ytow wrote:
>>
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>>>Roger,
>>>
>>>how can I represent relationships between vernacular names in TCS?
>>>We have five UTF-8 strings to represent cherry in Japanese, whatever
>>>its scientific name is.  I'd like to represent equivalence between
>>>them without referring to scientific names.  Using
>>>"is vernacular of"/"has vernacular" here seems an abuse.
>>>
>>>If we add a type to enumeration to represent relationships between
>>>vernacular names, then how the above relationship should be
>>>represented?  We store the relatioship by triplet of
>>>RelationshipAssertionID, TaxonConceptID, and a boolean-ish whether
>>>the TaxonConceptID is FromTaxonCocnept or not; type of
>>>RelationsihpAssertion and AccordingTo is stored in
>>>RelationshipAssertion data object having the RelationshipAssertionID
>>>(in temrs are TCS equvalent, of course). In above cherry case, it
>>>would be recorded as equivalent to
>>>
>>>(vernacular-equivalence, cherry_in_half-width-Katakana, isFrom)
>>>(vernacular-equivalence, cherry_in_full-width-Katakana, isFrom)
>>>(vernacular-equivalence, cherry_in_Hiragana, isFrom)
>>>(vernacular-equivalence, cherry_in_ShimplifiedKanji, isFrom)
>>>(vernacular-equivalence, cherry_in_OriginalKanji, isFrom)
>>>
>>>where the second element is ID of TaxonConcept retaining these
>>>reprsentaitons of cherry.  Do I need to create five or ten
>>>(combination of these fives) RelationsihpAssertions to represent
>>>it (and hence GUID for each of them)?  I think it is better to allow
>>>RelationsihpAssertion to have more than one FromTaconCocnept and
>>>ToTaxonCocnept.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>JMS
>>>--
>>>Dr. Nozomi "James" Ytow
>>>Institute of Biological Sciences / Gene research center
>>>University of Tsukuba
>>>Tsukuba, Ibaraki 305-8572
>>>Japan
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>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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