From jones at nceas.ucsb.edu Mon Oct 18 09:23:50 2004 From: jones at nceas.ucsb.edu (Matt Jones) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:23:50 -0800 Subject: [seek-web] [Fwd: Re: SEEK wiki page] Message-ID: <4173EE16.30602@nceas.ucsb.edu> Feedback from Bertram regarding the organization of the SEEK web site. I think I agree with him on some of the basic terminology issues. We should consider this now that the website is a bit more stable. Matt -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Jones jones at nceas.ucsb.edu http://www.nceas.ucsb.edu/ Fax: 425-920-2439 Ph: 907-789-0496 National Center for Ecological Analysis and Synthesis (NCEAS) University of California Santa Barbara Interested in ecological informatics? http://www.ecoinformatics.org ------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Bertram Ludaescher Subject: Re: SEEK wiki page Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Size: 3898 Url: http://mercury.nceas.ucsb.edu/ecoinformatics/pipermail/seek-web/attachments/20041018/9e3b3f79/SEEKwikipage.eml From stekell at lternet.edu Fri Oct 22 14:06:58 2004 From: stekell at lternet.edu (Steve Tekell) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:06:58 -0600 Subject: [seek-web] [Fwd: Re: SEEK wiki page] In-Reply-To: <4173EE16.30602@nceas.ucsb.edu> Message-ID: on the remaining open items.... #2: regarding logging out: With (container managed) security like this, closing your browser will force your session to end. Similarly, the session will timeout automatically after a period of inactivity. Although, this period is shorter on the production server than what is actually declared in the app configuration. I don't yet know why it's timing out early like that and it works fine in my dev and test environments. Anyway, it's possible to implement a (programmatic) logout if there's a need for one. #9 and #10: regarding the naming Community section formerly know as Contributors and the subsection of Intranet/Team Communities and related organization: We went around and around on this issue before and never found a clear winner. At this point, my question is can people find what they are looking for? If so, then there's no point in making any changes. If not, what would be better and why? Regarding the meaning of "Community", well looking to the Simpsons we learn from some TeleCom MegaCorp PR woman "Communications" + "Unity" = "Community" Mostly it just seemed like a better alternative to "Contributors" and not too long to fit in the Nav panel. Nothing we came up with at the time sounded great. Which is why the home page has stuff like this: http://seek.ecoinformatics.org/Wiki.jsp?page=WelcomeToSEEK#section-WelcomeTo SEEK-OnThisSite To explain it and all the other sections a bit better with more than one word. From jones at nceas.ucsb.edu Fri Oct 22 15:07:46 2004 From: jones at nceas.ucsb.edu (Matt Jones) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:07:46 -0800 Subject: [seek-web] [Fwd: Re: SEEK wiki page] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417984B2.3060806@nceas.ucsb.edu> Steve, Thanks for the history. I think I agree with Bertram that the intent of the Community section is not obvious, so... we'll have to chew on this to try to come up with some better labels. Let me know if you think of any. Thanks. Matt Steve Tekell wrote: > on the remaining open items.... > > #2: regarding logging out: > > With (container managed) security like this, closing your browser will force > your session to end. Similarly, the session will timeout automatically > after a period of inactivity. Although, this period is shorter on the > production server than what is actually declared in the app configuration. > I don't yet know why it's timing out early like that and it works fine in my > dev and test environments. Anyway, it's possible to implement a > (programmatic) logout if there's a need for one. > > #9 and #10: regarding the naming Community section formerly know as > Contributors and the subsection of Intranet/Team Communities and related > organization: > > We went around and around on this issue before and never found a clear > winner. At this point, my question is can people find what they are looking > for? If so, then there's no point in making any changes. If not, what > would be better and why? > > Regarding the meaning of "Community", > well looking to the Simpsons we learn from some TeleCom MegaCorp PR woman > "Communications" + "Unity" = "Community" > > Mostly it just seemed like a better alternative to "Contributors" and not > too long to fit in the Nav panel. Nothing we came up with at the time > sounded great. Which is why the home page has stuff like this: > http://seek.ecoinformatics.org/Wiki.jsp?page=WelcomeToSEEK#section-WelcomeTo > SEEK-OnThisSite > To explain it and all the other sections a bit better with more than one > word. > > > > _______________________________________________ > seek-web mailing list > seek-web at ecoinformatics.org > http://www.ecoinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/seek-web -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Jones jones at nceas.ucsb.edu http://www.nceas.ucsb.edu/ Fax: 425-920-2439 Ph: 907-789-0496 National Center for Ecological Analysis and Synthesis (NCEAS) University of California Santa Barbara Interested in ecological informatics? http://www.ecoinformatics.org ------------------------------------------------------------------- From ludaesch at sdsc.edu Sun Oct 24 08:01:36 2004 From: ludaesch at sdsc.edu (Bertram Ludaescher) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [seek-web] [Fwd: Re: SEEK wiki page] In-Reply-To: <417984B2.3060806@nceas.ucsb.edu> References: <417984B2.3060806@nceas.ucsb.edu> Message-ID: <16763.49483.974479.89072@multivac.sdsc.edu> >>>>> "MJ" == Matt Jones writes: >> #9 and #10: regarding the naming Community section formerly know as >> Contributors and the subsection of Intranet/Team Communities and related >> organization: >> >> We went around and around on this issue before and never found a clear >> winner. At this point, my question is can people find what they are looking >> for? If so, then there's no point in making any changes. If not, what >> would be better and why? Hi Steve: I understand the difficulties in getting those right. BTW: I think the SEEK web site is generally very well organized! As for the Community item: people do NOT associate the "developers stuff" with "Community". I think we should have a "Developers Corner" or something like it that points to IRC, CVS stuff.. So how about "Developers Corner" (or similar) and move some stuff from Community there? When I hear Community I would think of "mailing lists" and pointers to other (non-SEEK) groups of the same (ecoinformatics) community or even related cyberinfrastructure community (eg GEON) >> Regarding the meaning of "Community", >> well looking to the Simpsons we learn from some TeleCom MegaCorp PR woman >> "Communications" + "Unity" = "Community" >> >> Mostly it just seemed like a better alternative to "Contributors" and not >> too long to fit in the Nav panel. Nothing we came up with at the time >> sounded great. Which is why the home page has stuff like this: >> http://seek.ecoinformatics.org/Wiki.jsp?page=WelcomeToSEEK#section-WelcomeTo >> SEEK-OnThisSite >> To explain it and all the other sections a bit better with more than one >> word. visitors of a web site don't read instructions (*we* as SEEK might, but other visitors won't). We should try and choose names that have the intended associations right away.. cheers Bertram >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> seek-web mailing list >> seek-web at ecoinformatics.org >> http://www.ecoinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/seek-web MJ> MJ> -- MJ> ------------------------------------------------------------------- MJ> Matt Jones jones at nceas.ucsb.edu MJ> http://www.nceas.ucsb.edu/ Fax: 425-920-2439 Ph: 907-789-0496 MJ> National Center for Ecological Analysis and Synthesis (NCEAS) MJ> University of California Santa Barbara MJ> Interested in ecological informatics? http://www.ecoinformatics.org MJ> ------------------------------------------------------------------- From beach at ku.edu Mon Oct 25 07:25:09 2004 From: beach at ku.edu (Beach, James H) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:25:09 -0500 Subject: [seek-web] [Fwd: Re: SEEK wiki page] Message-ID: <48FBDA40E5530C40BDFADFC767C0C33904CEED0F@skylark2.home.ku.edu> Is our new usability person on this list? _____________________________ James H. Beach Biodiversity Research Center University of Kansas 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard Lawrence, KS 66045, USA T 785 864-4645, F 785 864-5335 -----Original Message----- From: seek-web-admin at ecoinformatics.org [mailto:seek-web-admin at ecoinformatics.org] On Behalf Of Bertram Ludaescher Sent: 24 October, 2004 10:02 AM To: Matt Jones Cc: Steve Tekell; seek-web at ecoinformatics.org; Bertram Ludaescher Subject: Re: [seek-web] [Fwd: Re: SEEK wiki page] >>>>> "MJ" == Matt Jones writes: >> #9 and #10: regarding the naming Community section formerly know as >> Contributors and the subsection of Intranet/Team Communities and >> related >> organization: >> >> We went around and around on this issue before and never found a >> clear winner. At this point, my question is can people find what >> they are looking for? If so, then there's no point in making any >> changes. If not, what would be better and why? Hi Steve: I understand the difficulties in getting those right. BTW: I think the SEEK web site is generally very well organized! As for the Community item: people do NOT associate the "developers stuff" with "Community". I think we should have a "Developers Corner" or something like it that points to IRC, CVS stuff.. So how about "Developers Corner" (or similar) and move some stuff from Community there? When I hear Community I would think of "mailing lists" and pointers to other (non-SEEK) groups of the same (ecoinformatics) community or even related cyberinfrastructure community (eg GEON) >> Regarding the meaning of "Community", well looking to the Simpsons we >> learn from some TeleCom MegaCorp PR woman "Communications" + "Unity" >> = "Community" >> >> Mostly it just seemed like a better alternative to "Contributors" and >> not too long to fit in the Nav panel. Nothing we came up with at the >> time sounded great. Which is why the home page has stuff like this: >> http://seek.ecoinformatics.org/Wiki.jsp?page=WelcomeToSEEK#section-We >> lcomeTo >> SEEK-OnThisSite >> To explain it and all the other sections a bit better with more than >> one word. visitors of a web site don't read instructions (*we* as SEEK might, but other visitors won't). We should try and choose names that have the intended associations right away.. cheers Bertram >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> seek-web mailing list >> seek-web at ecoinformatics.org >> http://www.ecoinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/seek-web MJ> MJ> -- MJ> ------------------------------------------------------------------- MJ> Matt Jones jones at nceas.ucsb.edu MJ> http://www.nceas.ucsb.edu/ Fax: 425-920-2439 Ph: 907-789-0496 MJ> National Center for Ecological Analysis and Synthesis (NCEAS) MJ> University of California Santa Barbara Interested in ecological MJ> informatics? http://www.ecoinformatics.org MJ> ------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ seek-web mailing list seek-web at ecoinformatics.org http://www.ecoinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/seek-web From wmichene at lternet.edu Mon Oct 25 07:34:02 2004 From: wmichene at lternet.edu (William Michener) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:34:02 -0600 Subject: [seek-web] [Fwd: Re: SEEK wiki page] In-Reply-To: <48FBDA40E5530C40BDFADFC767C0C33904CEED0F@skylark2.home.ku.edu> Message-ID: I do not know. She should be. William K. Michener -------------------------------------------------- Co-Director, NEON Project Office American Institute of Biological Sciences 1444 I Street, NW, Suite 200 Washington, DC 20005 -------------------------------------------------- Associate Director, LTER Network Office Department of Biology, MSC03 2020 1 University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001 ph: 505.277.2769; fax: 505.277.2541 mobile: 505.220.3123 wmichener at LTERnet.edu -------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: seek-web-admin at ecoinformatics.org [mailto:seek-web-admin at ecoinformatics.org] On Behalf Of Beach, James H Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:25 AM To: seek-web at ecoinformatics.org Cc: Steve Tekell; Bertram Ludaescher Subject: RE: [seek-web] [Fwd: Re: SEEK wiki page] Is our new usability person on this list? _____________________________ James H. Beach Biodiversity Research Center University of Kansas 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard Lawrence, KS 66045, USA T 785 864-4645, F 785 864-5335 -----Original Message----- From: seek-web-admin at ecoinformatics.org [mailto:seek-web-admin at ecoinformatics.org] On Behalf Of Bertram Ludaescher Sent: 24 October, 2004 10:02 AM To: Matt Jones Cc: Steve Tekell; seek-web at ecoinformatics.org; Bertram Ludaescher Subject: Re: [seek-web] [Fwd: Re: SEEK wiki page] >>>>> "MJ" == Matt Jones writes: >> #9 and #10: regarding the naming Community section formerly know as >> Contributors and the subsection of Intranet/Team Communities and >> related >> organization: >> >> We went around and around on this issue before and never found a >> clear winner. At this point, my question is can people find what >> they are looking for? If so, then there's no point in making any >> changes. If not, what would be better and why? Hi Steve: I understand the difficulties in getting those right. BTW: I think the SEEK web site is generally very well organized! As for the Community item: people do NOT associate the "developers stuff" with "Community". I think we should have a "Developers Corner" or something like it that points to IRC, CVS stuff.. So how about "Developers Corner" (or similar) and move some stuff from Community there? When I hear Community I would think of "mailing lists" and pointers to other (non-SEEK) groups of the same (ecoinformatics) community or even related cyberinfrastructure community (eg GEON) >> Regarding the meaning of "Community", well looking to the Simpsons we >> learn from some TeleCom MegaCorp PR woman "Communications" + "Unity" >> = "Community" >> >> Mostly it just seemed like a better alternative to "Contributors" and >> not too long to fit in the Nav panel. Nothing we came up with at the >> time sounded great. Which is why the home page has stuff like this: >> http://seek.ecoinformatics.org/Wiki.jsp?page=WelcomeToSEEK#section-We >> lcomeTo >> SEEK-OnThisSite >> To explain it and all the other sections a bit better with more than >> one word. visitors of a web site don't read instructions (*we* as SEEK might, but other visitors won't). We should try and choose names that have the intended associations right away.. cheers Bertram >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> seek-web mailing list >> seek-web at ecoinformatics.org >> http://www.ecoinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/seek-web MJ> MJ> -- MJ> ------------------------------------------------------------------- MJ> Matt Jones jones at nceas.ucsb.edu MJ> http://www.nceas.ucsb.edu/ Fax: 425-920-2439 Ph: 907-789-0496 MJ> National Center for Ecological Analysis and Synthesis (NCEAS) MJ> University of California Santa Barbara Interested in ecological MJ> informatics? http://www.ecoinformatics.org MJ> ------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ seek-web mailing list seek-web at ecoinformatics.org http://www.ecoinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/seek-web _______________________________________________ seek-web mailing list seek-web at ecoinformatics.org http://www.ecoinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/seek-web From jones at nceas.ucsb.edu Mon Oct 25 08:26:16 2004 From: jones at nceas.ucsb.edu (Matt Jones) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:26:16 -0800 Subject: [seek-web] [Fwd: Re: SEEK wiki page] In-Reply-To: <48FBDA40E5530C40BDFADFC767C0C33904CEED0F@skylark2.home.ku.edu> References: <48FBDA40E5530C40BDFADFC767C0C33904CEED0F@skylark2.home.ku.edu> Message-ID: <417D1B18.1090804@nceas.ucsb.edu> Hi Jim, Yes, Laura is on this list. Matt Beach, James H wrote: > > Is our new usability person on this list? > > _____________________________ > James H. Beach > Biodiversity Research Center > University of Kansas > 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard > Lawrence, KS 66045, USA > T 785 864-4645, F 785 864-5335 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: seek-web-admin at ecoinformatics.org > [mailto:seek-web-admin at ecoinformatics.org] On Behalf Of Bertram > Ludaescher > Sent: 24 October, 2004 10:02 AM > To: Matt Jones > Cc: Steve Tekell; seek-web at ecoinformatics.org; Bertram Ludaescher > Subject: Re: [seek-web] [Fwd: Re: SEEK wiki page] > > >>>>>>"MJ" == Matt Jones writes: >>> >>>#9 and #10: regarding the naming Community section formerly know as >>>Contributors and the subsection of Intranet/Team Communities and >>>related >>>organization: >>> >>>We went around and around on this issue before and never found a >>>clear winner. At this point, my question is can people find what >>>they are looking for? If so, then there's no point in making any >>>changes. If not, what would be better and why? > > > Hi Steve: > > I understand the difficulties in getting those right. BTW: I think the > SEEK web site is generally very well organized! > > As for the Community item: people do NOT associate the "developers > stuff" with "Community". > > I think we should have a "Developers Corner" or something like it that > points to IRC, CVS stuff.. > > So how about "Developers Corner" (or similar) and move some stuff from > Community there? When I hear Community I would think of "mailing lists" > and pointers to other (non-SEEK) groups of the same > (ecoinformatics) community or even related cyberinfrastructure community > (eg GEON) > > >>>Regarding the meaning of "Community", well looking to the Simpsons we > > >>>learn from some TeleCom MegaCorp PR woman "Communications" + "Unity" >>>= "Community" >>> >>>Mostly it just seemed like a better alternative to "Contributors" and > > >>>not too long to fit in the Nav panel. Nothing we came up with at the > > >>>time sounded great. Which is why the home page has stuff like this: >>>http://seek.ecoinformatics.org/Wiki.jsp?page=WelcomeToSEEK#section-We >>>lcomeTo >>>SEEK-OnThisSite >>>To explain it and all the other sections a bit better with more than >>>one word. > > > visitors of a web site don't read instructions (*we* as SEEK might, but > other visitors won't). We should try and choose names that have the > intended associations right away.. > > > cheers > > Bertram > > > >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>seek-web mailing list >>>seek-web at ecoinformatics.org >>>http://www.ecoinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/seek-web > > MJ> > MJ> -- > MJ> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > MJ> Matt Jones jones at nceas.ucsb.edu > MJ> http://www.nceas.ucsb.edu/ Fax: 425-920-2439 Ph: 907-789-0496 > MJ> National Center for Ecological Analysis and Synthesis (NCEAS) > MJ> University of California Santa Barbara Interested in ecological > MJ> informatics? http://www.ecoinformatics.org > MJ> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > seek-web mailing list > seek-web at ecoinformatics.org > http://www.ecoinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/seek-web > > > _______________________________________________ > seek-web mailing list > seek-web at ecoinformatics.org > http://www.ecoinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/seek-web -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Jones jones at nceas.ucsb.edu http://www.nceas.ucsb.edu/ Fax: 425-920-2439 Ph: 907-789-0496 National Center for Ecological Analysis and Synthesis (NCEAS) University of California Santa Barbara Interested in ecological informatics? http://www.ecoinformatics.org ------------------------------------------------------------------- From sroman at LTERnet.edu Mon Oct 25 09:07:43 2004 From: sroman at LTERnet.edu (Samantha Romanello) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:07:43 -0600 Subject: [seek-web] [Fwd: Re: SEEK wiki page] In-Reply-To: <16763.49483.974479.89072@multivac.sdsc.edu> References: <417984B2.3060806@nceas.ucsb.edu> <16763.49483.974479.89072@multivac.sdsc.edu> Message-ID: <417D24CF.2020601@LTERnet.edu> Hi all I really like the idea of a "developers corner" and would be willing to make the change if it works for everyone? samantha Bertram Ludaescher wrote: >>>>>> <> >>>>>> Hi Steve: >>>>>> >>>>>> I understand the difficulties in getting those right. BTW: I >>>>>> think the >>>>>> SEEK web site is generally very well organized! >>>>>> >>>>>> As for the Community item: people do NOT associate the "developers >>>>>> stuff" with "Community". >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we should have a "Developers Corner" or something like it >>>>>> that >>>>>> points to IRC, CVS stuff.. >>>>>> >>>>>> So how about "Developers Corner" (or similar) and move some stuff >>>>>> from >>>>>> Community there? When I hear Community I would think of "mailing >>>>>> lists" and pointers to other (non-SEEK) groups of the same >>>>>> (ecoinformatics) community or even related cyberinfrastructure >>>>>> community (eg GEON) >>>>>> >>>Regarding the meaning of "Community", >>>well looking to the Simpsons we learn from some TeleCom MegaCorp PR woman >>>"Communications" + "Unity" = "Community" >>> >>>Mostly it just seemed like a better alternative to "Contributors" and not >>>too long to fit in the Nav panel. Nothing we came up with at the time >>>sounded great. Which is why the home page has stuff like this: >>>http://seek.ecoinformatics.org/Wiki.jsp?page=WelcomeToSEEK#section-WelcomeTo >>>SEEK-OnThisSite >>>To explain it and all the other sections a bit better with more than one >>>word. >>> >>> > >visitors of a web site don't read instructions (*we* as SEEK might, >but other visitors won't). We should try and choose names that have >the intended associations right away.. > > >cheers > >Bertram > > > > >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>seek-web mailing list >>>seek-web at ecoinformatics.org >>>http://www.ecoinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/seek-web >>> >>> >MJ> >MJ> -- >MJ> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >MJ> Matt Jones jones at nceas.ucsb.edu >MJ> http://www.nceas.ucsb.edu/ Fax: 425-920-2439 Ph: 907-789-0496 >MJ> National Center for Ecological Analysis and Synthesis (NCEAS) >MJ> University of California Santa Barbara >MJ> Interested in ecological informatics? http://www.ecoinformatics.org >MJ> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >seek-web mailing list >seek-web at ecoinformatics.org >http://www.ecoinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/seek-web > > -- What would Brian Boitano do?? Samantha J Romanello, Ph. D. SEEK Education and Outreach UNM Biology Department MSC03 2020 1 University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001 505-277-2607 (office) 505-249-0474 (cell) 505 272-2541 (fax) From ldowney at lternet.edu Mon Oct 25 09:59:46 2004 From: ldowney at lternet.edu (Laura L. Downey) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:59:46 -0600 Subject: [seek-web] [Fwd: Re: SEEK wiki page] In-Reply-To: <417D24CF.2020601@LTERnet.edu> Message-ID: Hello, I am on the list. My apologies for not immediately responding, still trying to get my bearings, get my computer set up etc. Terminology can be a troublesome issue because generally people agree about 10% of the time on what the right word is. However, they agree much more on what the wrong word is. So the trick is finding terminology that is acceptable even if people might use a different, but similar word. Or in providing contextually, multiple navigation methods (which I see is already employed in various places on the web site). As someone totally new to the project, when I saw the word "community" I assumed this referred to the SEEK community since this is the SEEK web site.