[SEEK-Taxon] RE: GBIF and TCS-LC for data exchange

Mon Feb 28 22:27:39 PST 2005

Rich/Matt,

Thanks for this.  I certainly support Matt setting a list up.  If this
can't happen for any reason, I can set one up using the GBIF CIRCA system,
but then everyone needs a CIRCA userid...

Donald

>
> Based on the subsequent comments from others on this CC list, there seems
> to
> be sufficient critical mass of "Aye"s to warrant the creation of an email
> list.
>
> Matt -- if you wouldn't mind creating a list, I think that would be the
> best
> route.  I suspect that the volume of traffic could get large enough (in
> pulses), that it's probably best to have a separate list from seek-taxon.
> I
> think that it should also be scoped to "LC" in general, rather than
> specific
> to the LC-TCS issue.  I imagine that the LC-TCS discussion will be one of
> the most consistently voluminous, but it should also be open to topics
> specific to LC.
>
> I fully agree that there should also be a Wiki, where major postings,
> files,
> and other stuff could be archived.  I would recommend, though, that anyone
> who makes substantative changes to the Wiki should also send a "heads-up"
> and/or summary note to the list so that the non-Wiki folks can stay
> abreast
> of developments. At the very least, the email list address should be
> subscribed to receive automated edit announcements from the Wiki.
>
> I will not weigh-in on the delicate issue of which of the various
> candidate
> Wikis should be "the" designated Wiki -- but I would like to reiterate
> that
> we should pick *one* [and perhaps consider migrating the content of the
> other(s) to the chosen one].
>
> I'll try to find some time this week to get caught back up on the
> developments of the past several months (both from the LC perspective and
> the TCS perspective).
>
> Aloha,
> Rich
>
> Richard L. Pyle, PhD
> Database Coordinator for Natural Sciences
> Department of Natural Sciences, Bishop Museum
> 1525 Bernice St., Honolulu, HI 96817
> Ph: (808)848-4115, Fax: (808)847-8252
> email: deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
> http://www.bishopmuseum.org/bishop/HBS/pylerichard.html
>
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Matt Jones [mailto:jones at nceas.ucsb.edu]
>> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:40 AM
>> To: Richard Pyle
>> Cc: Nozomi Ytow; dhobern at gbif.org; G.Hagedorn at BBA.DE;
>> franz at nceas.ucsb.edu; J.Kennedy at napier.ac.uk;
>> CooperJ at landcareresearch.co.nz; ghw at anbg.gov.au; lblaine at atcc.org;
>> p.kirk at CABI.ORG; bti at dsmz.de; garrity at msu.edu; R.Kukla at napier.ac.uk;
>> C.lyal at nhm.ac.uk; yjong at science.uva.nl; weitzman at si.edu;
>> rlmoe at uclink4.berkeley.edu; cwilson at usgs.gov; sblum at CalAcademy.org;
>> seek-taxon at ecoinformatics.org; S.Hinchcliffe at kew.org;
>> sci.staff at gbif.org; ict.staff at gbif.org; roger at hyam.net;
>> gbif-dadi at roles.circa.gbif.net; gbif-ecat at roles.circa.gbif.net
>> Subject: Re: [SEEK-Taxon] RE: GBIF and TCS-LC for data exchange
>>
>>
>> Hi Rich,
>>
>> I agree that email lists are far easier to follow, so I think an email
>> list for this discussion is a good idea.  Personally I think seek-taxon
>> is a fine place for these sorts of discussions, as the main emphasis of
>> seek-taxon is producing the TCS and the relationship between LC and TCS
>> is so tight.  However, we also run many email lists and I could easily
>> set up a list specifically for LC in a few minutes if that were deemed a
>> better alternative.  Please just let me know.
>>
>> I do think wiki's play a role though (we use them in SEEK).  With a
>> Wiki, I think it is easier to consolidate information and present the
>> 'current' view of an idea or topic.  We use them to distill the essence
>> of emailand other conversations into design documents.  I think it woud
>> be positive if somebody kept abrest of the issues and kept one of the
>> wikis (SEEK-taxon, TCS, LC, or other) up-to-date with the current
>> thought.  This allows greater forward progress, as email threads
>> eventualy are lost and forgotten.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Matt
>>
>> Richard Pyle wrote:
>> >>Rich wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>However, if Wiki it is to be, I think it
>> >>>would be tremendously more efficient for making progress if we could
>> >>>designate ONE Wiki as the location where the LC/TCS integration
>> >>
>> >>issues are
>> >>
>> >>>discussed.
>> >>
>> >>Well, one Wiki would contain many similar pages, each contains the
>> >>same dicrussion.
>> >
>> >
>> > True -- but I was referring mostly to the two (or more?)
>> entirely different
>> > Wiki sites on which disccussions of LC and its connection with TCS
>> have
>> > historically occurred.
>> >
>> >
>> >>Following Wiki is also harder than reading e-mail especially over
>> >>time difference, in my experience.
>> >
>> >
>> > Emboldened by Paul's and James' comments, perhaps I could suggest
>> > establishing an email list dedicated to LC, including its
>> relationship with
>> > TCS.  The seek-taxon list could be a forum for this sort of
>> discussion, but
>> > I have a hunch that it might represent too much clutter for that list
>> > (SEEKers? Your thoughts?)  The ICZN list is hosted here at
>> Bishop Museum --
>> > if nobody else has a convenient way to establish an email
>> discussion list, I
>> > could inquire about setting up one here for LC.
>> >
>> > Of course, the email lists and Wikis are not mutually exclusive
>> mechanisms
>> > for discussion.  They can complement each other rather nicely,
>> I think. I
>> > understand the theoretically improved efficiency and archivability and
>> > flexibility offered by a Wiki over a straightforward email list; and
>> the
>> > "Wiki-Warriors" could take it upon themselves to transfer
>> significant email
>> > list posts over to the Wiki (I would be willing to serve in
>> this capacity).
>> > The Wiki could also serve as a repository for downloadable
>> files.  However,
>> > if the absence of an email list means a significant reduction
>> in discussion
>> > input from certain highly insightful folks (like Paul), then I think
>> it
>> > would be a mistake not to establish such an email list.
>> >
>> > Also, there's nothing like an email message in an indbox (especially
>> one
>> > that includes content, rather than simple links to updated Wiki
>> pages) to
>> > keep a discussion moving forward.
>> >
>> > Aloha,
>> > Rich
>> >
>> > Richard L. Pyle, PhD
>> > Database Coordinator for Natural Sciences
>> > Department of Natural Sciences, Bishop Museum
>> > 1525 Bernice St., Honolulu, HI 96817
>> > Ph: (808)848-4115, Fax: (808)847-8252
>> > email: deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
>> > http://www.bishopmuseum.org/bishop/HBS/pylerichard.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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