[kepler-dev] DataSource Icon troubles

[Laura L. Downey]

Ah, now I understand Dan's reaction.  I didn't know about these recent
adjustments.  Let met get together with Matthew and we'll look at a few
options for addressing the "faded" or "unseeable" issue and also the
"currently downloading" and "error" conditions.

In the meantime, please continue with your feedback and also to bear with us
as we find solutions.  Thanks. 

Laura L. Downey
Senior Usability Engineer
LTER Network Office
Department of Biology, MSC03 2020
1 University of New Mexico
Albuquerque, NM  87131-0001
505.277.3157 office
505.610.9657 mobile
505.277-2541 fax
ldowney at lternet.edu
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Brooke [mailto:brooke at nceas.ucsb.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:41 PM
To: Laura L. Downey
Cc: 'Dan Higgins'; Kepler-dev at ecoinformatics.org
Subject: Re: [kepler-dev] DataSource Icon troubles


Hi all -

I changed the icon yesterday to make it match the new Kepler design, as 
shown on the wiki page. The only other thing I have changed is to make 
the folder "ghosted" (translucent) until it is ready - so the error and 
busy status both have a ghosted folder, and the ready status has a 
regular folder. Similar ghosting is commonly used in windows and on the 
mac to denote hidden files and folders.

I have attached screenshots of the ready, busy and error phases (see 
attached gifs). As you can see, the text "busy" or "ERROR" appears in 
high-contrast, bold colors during these two phases.

The new design color is not a good contrast against the old kepler grey 
workflow background - the new design will have a white background, which 
contrasts more with the folder.

However, in both cases, the problem might be solved by making the 
outline of the folder a darker color (look carefully at the folder icons 
in windows, and you'll see what I mean). This would probably help 
visibility greatly; the old datasource icon had a black outline, which 
definitely made it more visible, if a little Fauvist

m


Laura L. Downey wrote:
> Okay I will take a look at the latest in the morning.  Any specific
workflow
> you want me to look at?  I'm a little perplexed since we haven't had any
> feedback that it was a problem in the various screenshots presented at the
> last 2 or 3 meetings or from the examples on the wiki.   But if there is
an
> issue, we can easily adjust things. 
> 
> BTW, 10% of the male population has some form of color-blindness -- which
is
> a major reason color should be used as a redundant cue (and because people
> see colors differently too).  In the datasource icon case, the file folder
> shape is the other cue.  
> 
> Laura L. Downey
> Senior Usability Engineer
> LTER Network Office
> Department of Biology, MSC03 2020
> 1 University of New Mexico
> Albuquerque, NM  87131-0001
> 505.277.3157 office
> 505.610.9657 mobile
> 505.277-2541 fax
> ldowney at lternet.edu
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Higgins [mailto:higgins at nceas.ucsb.edu] 
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:01 PM
> To: Laura L. Downey
> Subject: Re: [kepler-dev] DataSource Icon troubles
> 
> Hi Laura,
>     I think you need to look at the latest version.
> 
>     Have you tried the new nightly zip? (an easy way to look at the 
> version as of last night). There is a link from the download page on the 
> Kepler web site.(or http://www.kepler-project.org/nightly/zip/)
> 
> Dan
> 
> Laura L. Downey wrote:
> 
>> I don't know what you mean Dan -- the data source icons (the file
folders)
>> are still yellow (maybe a little golder) after the data is successfully
>> downloaded.  Am I misunderstanding something?  Or perhaps Kevin is trying
>> some different colors with the "currently downloading" and "error"
>> conditions of the data source icons.
>>
>> I haven't been using the latest version of Kepler so haven't seen what
you
>> are referring to.
>>
>> Laura L. Downey
>> Senior Usability Engineer
>> LTER Network Office
>> Department of Biology, MSC03 2020
>> 1 University of New Mexico
>> Albuquerque, NM  87131-0001
>> 505.277.3157 office
>> 505.610.9657 mobile
>> 505.277-2541 fax
>> ldowney at lternet.edu
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kepler-dev-bounces at ecoinformatics.org
>> [mailto:kepler-dev-bounces at ecoinformatics.org] On Behalf Of Dan Higgins
>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:26 PM
>> To: Kepler-dev at ecoinformatics.org
>> Subject: [kepler-dev] DataSource Icon troubles
>>
>> OK - I see we have changed the data source icon colors again! And now I 
>> can barely even see the icon in the default configuration and the color 
>> change when not busy is barely perceptable to me
>> Granted, I am on the verge of being color-blind, but I am not alone in 
>> this and I had no trouble with earlier versions of the actors!
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>  
>>
> 
> 

-- 

---------------------------------------------
Matthew Brooke, Ph.D.
Marine Sciences Research Building, Room #3407
University of California
Santa Barbara, CA  93106-6150
ph: (805) 893-7108   fx: 805-893-8062
brooke at nceas.ucsb.edu
---------------------------------------------